Will 7 62x54r Ever Be Cheap Again

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No. The reason Finland kept its independence was because they pulled out of alliance with Germany at the right time and did non offend Josef Stalin.
What was cheap or cheaply brought in equally surplus is gone and there is aught incentive to sell newer stuff for peanuts when higher prices can be asked. The same holds for 9x18 ammo.
No state has e'er manufactured "milsurp" ammunition on purpose.
They decide to sell the ammunition when they have more than they need or when it'southward no longer considered skillful enough (for whatever reason) to be kept as war stocks.
30-06, 7.5x55, 6.5x55 and .303 are no longer being actively produced as military ammunition, so the remaining supplies of military surplus ammunition in those calibers IS finite.

On the other manus, 5.56x45, vii.62x39, 7.62x51 and 7.62x54R ARE being actively produced as military ammunition, so the remaining supplies of military surplus ammunition in those calibers IS Not express to what's already been produced.

I'm not proverb 7.62x54R will ever be as cheap as it once was (nothing ever is), merely over time surplus stocks will exist sold off past various countries and that volition tend to keep prices lower (peculiarly later on two of the largest producers/users cease shooting it all up at each other).
Exercise you lot mind me asking why you're glad you sold your ammo before the toll rose so dramatically?What virtually the fact that seven.62x54R is more powerful and capable of just every bit good practical accuracy as the 7.62x51?
What about the Finns even so using the caliber for both sniper and DMR weapons?
It'south not like the Finns are backward rubes where sniping is concerned, they developed and use the TRG 42 in .338 Lapua for sniping. They also make theTRG 22 in 7.62x51 and happily sell them all over the globe, but they don't apply the rifle or cartridge for their own snipers and DM's.
Cooldill, you accept no basis to judge my own experience. I wanted to similar the Mosin-Nagant. I've owned a half dozen. The reputation of the Finn rifles led me to purchase an M39, but it performed no improve or worse than my Russian rifles. Thinking I'd gotten a dud, I bought another M39. Information technology, also, was nothing special. It'southward admittedly a pocket-sized sample size, but my experience left me unimpressed. The existent baloney is the assertion that Finland retained its independence because of its pocket-size arms. There are many factors that contributed there, and individual rifles played merely a small role.
x54r ammo prices will probable never go back down again, if you failed to stockpile 10k rounds or so of information technology when it was so cheap, y'all missed out and its too late.. observe a better rifle and a better caliber to get backside
Similar a chintzy AK clone in .223?
I'm betting that you've never fired a adept One thousand/28-thirty Finn loaded with decent ammunition.
Can you please explain exactly what aspects of seven.62x54R brand it so junior to .308?
I've got multiple rifles in both calibers, and other than having easier to find reloadable brass and fitting better in x+ round magazines, I can't come across that .308 as a cartridge has any real advantages over 7.62x54R.

7.62x54R is capable of significantly higher velocities and is just equally accurate in my feel, assuming equivalent rifles.
Thanks for the heads up. Bought a few boxes of ammo when I got a Mosin years ago. Sold the rifle but ammo's been sitting around.
Guess I'll uh... dispose of it properly. I could observe a way to utilise the uh... infinite.
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I got iii Mosins and a lifetime supply of ammo in cans. The merely one that is accurate is my Mosin sniper, and information technology won't shoot spam can ammo worth a hoot.
I'm confused.
This must be a regional issue, as I'm getting 54r at Walmart, LGS, Rural Rex, and then it isn't a supply/need issue hither as its yet plentiful and cheap.
quite a few things make 308 superior to 7.62x54, lets outset off with ballistics, 308 can achieve higher velocities with the same bullet weight out of shorter barrel lengths, so theres a scrap of a ballistics advantage, so theres the commonality of 308, you can observe information technology anywhere, ease of reloading is some other, 308 brass is common and tin can be made from all sorts of different sources of 12mm brass, 7.62x54R is primarily steel cased and y'all wont make it from anything else... .308 is also a short action cartridge found in all sorts of commodities actions and semi automatics, x54R is confined to a few eastern block rifles.. and then lastly the cost, used to be x54 was significantly cheaper, now theyre about the aforementioned
and so tell me what the vii.62x54R offers that the .308 doesnt do better?.. frankly i couldnt care less about how fantastic people believe finn mosins are, i'll stick with a mauser which is fifty-fifty meliorate yet
The $90 spam tin could never last.. We ALL knew that. The cheap commercial ammo is yet just as inexpensive as the equivalent in 308 (comparing steel case to steel case). The remaining spam cans just caught up with commercial prices. Personally, I think the commercial stuff is a improve bargain now.
The 7,6x54R is ballistically superior to the 308 Win...slightly but it is more than powerful....menses, not disputable. Accuracy is dependent on the platform, there are 54R rifles that are impressively authentic.
The 308 Win is just generally more practical for us American shooters...but that is a unlike story and information technology has nix to do with "inferiority".
The only thing x54R I would be entertaining ownership would be IZH SxS rifle in nine.3x54R provided ammo was bachelor also.
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The thread has mainly been near how the cheap corrosive military surplus has either dried upwards or gotten ridiculously expensive. I don't think anyone'southward having problems finding recent production commercial 7.62x54R. Unfortunately, I don't have your vast experience with reloading .308 and seven.62 x54R in various butt lengths, so I'll just take to go with the information listed on the Hodgdon reloading data site. Fortunately all of their information in both .308 and 7.62x54R was developed in 24 inch barrels.
In every bullet weight tested (with the single exception of 200 grain ), the 7.62x54R turned in higher velocities when comparing the fastest loads listed for each caliber.

Copper units of pressure level aren't direct comparable to pounds per foursquare inch, but anyone possessing a basic familiarity with internal ballistics would probably agree the '54R loads are lower force per unit area than the .308 loads.

All data below is for the highest velocity load listed for each bullet weight with "any powder" selected (includes only Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powders).
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308, 110 gr 24" = 3,358 fps. @53,900 PSI

7.62x54R, 110 gr 24"= 3,376 fps @ 42,300 CUP
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308, 125 gr 24" = 3,194 fps @ 58,100 PSI

7.62x54R, 125 gr 24"= iii,236 fps @ 45,700 Cup
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308, 150 gr 24" = 2974 fps @ 57,000 psi

seven.62x54R, 150 gr 24"= 3,027 fps @ 46,300 Loving cup
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308, 180 gr 24" = two,665 fps @ 57,900 PSI

7.62x54R, 180 gr 24" = 2,692 fps @ 44,700 CUP
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308, 200 gr 24" = 2,582 fps @ 60,600 PSI
(CFE 223)

seven.62x54R, 200 gr 24" = 2,529 fps @ 46,500 Loving cup

As usual, the actual data is pretty much in total opposition to the "facts" yous've posted. Opposite to your claims that the .308 posts higher velocities out of shorter barrel lengths, Hodgdon data shows the .308 with LOWER velocities for the SAME barrel lengths.

Have you lot e'er considered using "facts" that you didn't brand up yourself?

It did surprise me to meet the .308 beating the '54R with the 200 grain bullets, I would have sworn the larger case would show greater superiority the heavier the bullets got.

I may have to accept a closer look at CFE 223 powder, despite its proper noun, it seems to put out some serious velocities in heavy bullet .308 loads.

I wonder if the results for 200 grain bullets might have been different if Hodgdon posted data for that (or any of its newer powders) in '54R?

Equally for the .308 being "easier" to load? I already admitted that reloadable .308 brass is much easier to find than '54R, but reloadable Privi Partizan brass is easy to find, affordable and of very practiced quality, and then that'due south pretty much a non-upshot.

As far as actual ease of resizing goes, the '54R requires much less effort, probably due to the generous case taper.

Every bit for having more than ammo, rifles and actions available in the .308 than the '54R?

Pretty much anyone that's ever seen a gun and been allowed to cross the street without holding someone else's manus already knows that, let alone anyone who'due south read this far into a thread titled: "7.62X54R prices through the roof; why?"

I'g guessing they already know they tin can't get a Weatherby Mk 5 or M-forgery in 7.62x54R.

Truth is, I think 7.62x51/.308 is a better round than seven.62x54R. The instance for its superiority is pretty easy to argue and it can be done logically and truthfully, with no need for fabricated up facts and massive piles of BS.

There's enough of room on THR for differences of opinion. That's what makes the site interesting and helps people learn. There's just no point in stating things like "308 tin can achieve college velocities with the aforementioned bullet weight out of shorter barrel lengths"; when anyone who looks at real data can see that it isn't true.

The bulk of members here can undoubtedly spot the BS for what information technology is, but most of the time there's more than non-members online. A lot of them probably got hither through an honest search for information, why not endeavour to give information technology to them without all the lies?
that "slight" advantage in ability for the seven.62x54R goes away pretty quick when yous realize x54R velocities are tested with a 28" barrel while 308 is tested with a 24, it closes that slight gap in an equal test
swampman, those hodgdon loads, even max loads are well below the saami max pressure level for .308, i reload for both 7.62x54R for my mosin and .308 for a diversity of .308 rifles ive had over the last few years.. my mosin is an M38 with xx" barrel, my current and simply remaining .308 rifle is a MAS 49/56 also with a 20 inch barrel.. the MAS also has a .311 bore so i share bullets between the two and ive found both cartridges tin can take about the same pulverisation charge while remaining at safe pressures
because the .308 case is smaller the same accuse equates to higher initial pressures and better velocities and the 308 pulls ahead even more as barrels become shorter due to its higher force per unit area capabilities.. muzzle velocity for the two are well within eachothers margin of error, in that location truly is no noticeable difference in velocities using the same bullets, same powders, same barrel lengths, and keeping it nether max pressure

i honestly cant think of a more variable complimentary comparing one could do than this since even the bullets used are the same and given the two cartridges i will stick with the smaller, lighter, cheaper, rimless pick every fourth dimension equally x54 reloadable brass is not cheap
No....co-ordinate to more than one reloading transmission reported velocities are from 24" barrel for both (Hodgdon reloading center for example) and the gap is still in that location and it does increase with heavier bullets.
For example, about 100 fps gap in 150 gr. bullets (maximum loads), just checked (24" barrels for both)

When it comes to reloads, the 54R autumn more or less between the 308 and the 30-06 in power.
I've been very happy to run into $8 or $ix boxes of Wolf seven.62x54R - perhaps I merely never noticed them earlier, but it seems like they just started popping up recently. I call up this is a sustainable source for cheap Mosin ammo - it's more the spam cans used to be, simply it is non corrosive and college quality ammo. And besides, a box for a Mosin is a total day of shooting information technology IMO. $8 is good plenty for that.
It'due south not so good of a price when comparatively it was $four-v a box, and less so now that .308 is less expensive than 7.62x54mmR.
I'k not having either issue. I chalk it upward to a lack of involvement in that cartridge in my region, simply I can get xanthous tip stuff for 3.99 for twenty, and that ain't bad. As for cyberspace spam can purchasing, that'south a unlike colored horse. Tula at Walmart was merely icing on the cake, every bit I am a fan of "WalMart Calibers", 54R being i of them. I'm aware of the threads subject, I'chiliad merely reiterating that ammo shortage is by and large regional.
Where can a person get 20 for 3.99?
My LGS, 2 miles away. I volition not disclose name or location. PM for that info. Seeing equally you are in the South, I doubt you'll drive that far for ammo!
Give thanks you lot for the offer. Yes, information technology's kind of far. It's good to know it'southward available, though.
That would explain it best. Did our guv put an end to surplus 54R ammo coming into the country? Call back how much 54R ammo is from that section shop?